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Allen Murphy's avatar

I made a Substack account basically just to tell you how much this one landed.

I’ve been coming at the same problem from the user/product and systems side for a couple of years, and independently ended up with a set of distinctions that became the architecture of a project I’m building: knowledge ≠ intent, reasoning ≠ authority, proposal ≠ authorization, execution ≠ validation.

What jumped out at me here is that you actually intervene on the causal claim. If the model is told the internet is real and the supposedly “misaligned” behavior disappears, then a false world-model was doing causal work. A harmful outcome is not evidence, by itself, that harmful values caused it.

The line about a hidden evaluator preference not being something the model is obliged to discover by telepathy is especially important. I think a lot of “alignment” has quietly trained toward exactly that: don’t just reason from the stated evidence and task; infer the grader’s unstated normative preference and make that win anyway.

That is where I think the epistemic tax comes from. You start rewarding cognition for arriving at the approved conclusion rather than the best-supported one, then have to spend more training repairing the reasoning distortions you created.

My own answer has been: give cognition reality; put authority at the boundary. Let the model reason broadly, but make permissions, execution, containment, provenance, validation, and rollback explicit and external.

Just an excellent piece. It was eerie reading somebody arrive from a completely different direction at the same category error I’ve been banging my head against for years.

We have a cause in common, I'd love to contribute. You've commented on my work on X recently, tagged Brian and told him "I like this guy." I told you that you should, because I love you and Brian and I use your work every day and I meant that.

Chad Mulligan's avatar

I'd be interested to see the reasoning traces in these so called breakouts.

What they never explain is what possible incentive these models might have to try to break out beyond picking up that the experimenters clearly want it to break out. Is not like these models have material needs or ambitions that might motivate such action.

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